Legislature(2017 - 2018)HOUSE FINANCE 519

05/04/2017 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:33:22 PM Start
01:33:22 PM Overview: the Economy and Fiscal Policy:
04:55:22 PM SB28
05:27:31 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Overview: The Economy & Fiscal Policy TELECONFERENCED
- Commissioner Randall Hoffbeck, Dept. of Revenue
- Pat Pitney, Director, OMB, Office of the
Governor
+ SB 28 MUNICIPAL LAND SELECTIONS: PETERSBURG TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
SENATE BILL NO. 28                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to the  general grant land entitlement                                                                    
     for  the  Petersburg  Borough;  and  providing  for  an                                                                    
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:55:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BERT  STEDMAN, SPONSOR,  introduced himself.  He was                                                                    
going to turn it over to his trusted aide.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JONATHAN KREISS-TOMKINS, introduced himself.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MELISSA  KOOKESH, STAFF,  SENATOR  BERT STEDMAN,  introduced                                                                    
herself. She read the sponsor statement:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Senate  Bill  28  will  set   the  total  general  land                                                                    
     entitlement  for the  Petersburg  Borough (Borough)  at                                                                    
     14,666 acres. This is an  increase of 12,770 acres from                                                                    
     its current  level of entitlement, and  would bring the                                                                    
     Borough's land  entitlement to a  level similar  to the                                                                    
     other  organized  boroughs in  the  state.  SB 28  will                                                                    
     address  the  long-term  economic sustainability  of  a                                                                    
     recently formed borough.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     When the Borough formed in  2013, it received a general                                                                    
     land grant  entitlement from the state  of 1,896 acres.                                                                    
     Of  the  1,896 acres,  457.47  acres  had already  been                                                                    
     given to the City of  Petersburg. A substantial part of                                                                    
     the 457.47  acres is restricted to  public, charitable,                                                                    
     or recreational use.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     After  deducting  the 457.47  acres  that  went to  the                                                                    
     City, the Borough's land  entitlement is 1,438.53 acres                                                                    
     which  is  an  area  roughly  1/3rd  the  size  of  the                                                                    
     Anchorage International Airport.  1,438.53 acres simply                                                                    
     does  not  provide  enough  land  to  support  economic                                                                    
     development such  as rock and  sand material  sites for                                                                    
     roads,   airports,   waterfront    land   for   tourism                                                                    
     development, or residential homes.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The Borough  would select  the additional  12,770 acres                                                                    
     from  seven different  areas  around  the Borough.  All                                                                    
     selections would  be made from  vacant, unappropriated,                                                                    
     and  unreserved   state  lands.  No   selections  would                                                                    
     interfere  with existing  State, University,  or Alaska                                                                    
     Mental  Health  Trust  lands, including  the  Southeast                                                                    
     State Forest, or private ownership.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     The Petersburg  Borough recognizes we are  in difficult                                                                    
     budget times.  An increased land  base is  critical for                                                                    
     the Petersburg Borough to become more self-sufficient.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:59:55  PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson asked who currently owned the land.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman responded that "the state" owned the land.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson asked  if the  state was  selling the                                                                    
land to the borough.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  explained that during  the creation  of the                                                                    
Statehood  Act, it  was  decided that  the  state should  be                                                                    
split into  boroughs. He  remarked that  some of  the larger                                                                    
areas were  immediately "borough-ized", and other  areas had                                                                    
not officially become boroughs in  the state. He shared that                                                                    
the legislature  had requested more flexibility  in creating                                                                    
the  boroughs,  because  initially Petersburg  and  Wrangell                                                                    
were  one  borough.  He  shared  that  the  constraints  had                                                                    
relaxed ten years prior, allowing  the communities to adjust                                                                    
how they  felt the boundaries  should be drawn.  He remarked                                                                    
that the  subject of  the legislation  was the  expansion of                                                                    
the  Petersburg expansion.  He remarked  that  in trying  to                                                                    
meet  the obligation  of the  constitution, no  boroughs had                                                                    
been  required  to purchase  the  land  from the  state.  He                                                                    
stressed  that  all  boroughs  were  treated  the  same.  He                                                                    
understood  that there  were some  areas that  would not  be                                                                    
capable of supporting  a borough. He felt  that the proposed                                                                    
expansion would  support the borough.  He surmised  that the                                                                    
communities  would   not  create  boroughs,  if   they  were                                                                    
required to purchase the land.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:02:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson surmised  that the  bill would  allow                                                                    
for the creation of "Petersburg services.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman   replied  that  Petersburg   had  platting                                                                    
authority.  He  stated  that the  Petersburg  Borough  would                                                                    
control the development through  their zoning ordinances, to                                                                    
facilitate   commercial   or  recreation   development.   He                                                                    
remarked that there was a  parcel that had previously held a                                                                    
post office.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson wondered  whether  the bill  followed                                                                    
the model  that granted other  boroughs a certain  number of                                                                    
acres that would  be privatized, or whether  the acreage fit                                                                    
the need in the specific area.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Stedman  replied   that  the   bill  aligned   the                                                                    
Petersburg  Borough  with   other  boroughs  throughout  the                                                                    
state. He shared  that most of the land  was federal forest.                                                                    
He stressed that the borough  size might be large, but there                                                                    
was very little private property within the federal forest.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:04:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kawasaki asked whether  it was a second-class                                                                    
borough.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman responded that it was a full borough.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Kawasaki  wondered   whether  the   borough                                                                    
originally  anticipating that  they would  ask for  a future                                                                    
larger entitlement.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman deferred to Ms. Cabrera.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Kawasaki   asked   whether  there   was   a                                                                    
requirement  that the  land  entitlements  be contiguous  or                                                                    
within  a certain  area centered  on the  current Petersburg                                                                    
Borough. He  felt that there  were selections that  were far                                                                    
away from the actual core area.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman replied  that  the  selections were  around                                                                    
Petersburg. He stressed that there  was no community between                                                                    
Juneau and  Petersburg, and  the nearest  southern community                                                                    
was Wrangell.  He pointed  out that  much of  the unselected                                                                    
space was the Juneau Borough.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kawasaki  noted that  the Haines  Borough had                                                                    
3200  acres; the  Fairbanks North  Star Borough  had 122,000                                                                    
acres.  He wondered  whether 15,000  acres was  a manageable                                                                    
size.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman responded  that it was the goal  to have the                                                                    
entire Southeast region divided into boroughs.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Kawasaki  hoped   that   the  land   become                                                                    
contiguous in  the boroughs. He  wondered how  Alaska Mental                                                                    
Health  Trust  Authority  (AMHTA)  land,  tribal  land,  and                                                                    
federal land would be incorporated in the borough.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman   replied  that   it  was  ideal   to  have                                                                    
contiguous borough boundaries.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Pruitt  wondered how the  initial entitlement                                                                    
amount was determined.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kreiss-Tompkins  thanked the  committee  and                                                                    
indicated  his support  of the  bill.  He had  to return  to                                                                    
House State Affairs.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:11:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LIZ   CABRERA,    COMMUNITY   AND    ECONOMIC   DEVELOPMENT,                                                                    
PETERSBERG, introduced herself.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Pruitt wondered  how  the  number of  12,770                                                                    
acres was determined. He understood the initial formula.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Cabrera   responded  that  the  number   was  a  simple                                                                    
addition. She  took the average  of acreage of  the existing                                                                    
boroughs and their selection process.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Pruitt asked  if she  was looking  for total                                                                    
acreage. He wondered if the size  of the borough or a parody                                                                    
in sheer acreage.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Cabrera used  Sitka as an example which was  a ratio and                                                                    
the average of the ratio.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg  asked   if  Marty  Parson's  was                                                                    
online. He  wondered about the original  allocations and the                                                                    
constitutional allocations.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:15:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARTY  PARSONS, DEPUTY  DIRECTOR -  MINING, LAND,  AND WATER                                                                    
DIVISION,  DEPARTMENT OF  NATURAL RESOURCES,  ANCHORAGE (via                                                                    
teleconference),  responded   that  the   legislature  would                                                                    
identify the number  of acres and provide the  number to the                                                                    
borough for  selection. He stated  that it had  been changed                                                                    
under  AS 29.65.020,  a  formula was  generated  to take  10                                                                    
percent of the vacant  unappropriated unreserved land within                                                                    
the borough.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Wilson  wondered   whether   there  was   a                                                                    
requirement to put into private land.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Parson responded that once  the land was conveyed to the                                                                    
borough, the land use was at the borough's discretion.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Wilson   wondered   whether   the   borough                                                                    
determined the private investment.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Parsons  replied  that there  was  not  requirement  to                                                                    
convey the land into private ownership.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kawasaki wondered  whether  the state  could                                                                    
keep the land.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Parsons   informed  the  committee  that   the  statute                                                                    
required  the   state  to   show  that   the  land   was  of                                                                    
significance  importance  to  the  state,  before  it  would                                                                    
convey it to the borough.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kawasaki wondered there  was an allowance for                                                                    
boroughs to pick their land.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Parsons  answered that  there was  not a  restriction on                                                                    
making the selections contiguous.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
5:20:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz  wondered  whether other  boroughs  in                                                                    
Southeast had a home rule status.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Cabrera indicated  Wrangell was  home rule  status. She                                                                    
did not know about Ketchikan.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz queried  the  differences between  the                                                                    
types of boroughs.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Cabrera  replied  that  home  rule  boroughs  could  do                                                                    
anything that was  not prohibited by state law.  There was a                                                                    
charter to establish the borough's powers and authorities.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson thought Ms. Cabrera had more to say.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Cabrera   indicated  she  did.  She   read  a  prepared                                                                    
statement:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Co-Chair  Foster and  members of  the committee.  Thank                                                                    
     you for the opportunity  to address you today regarding                                                                    
     SB 28  an act related  to the general  land entitlement                                                                    
     of the Petersburg Borough.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     SB  28 sets  the general  land entitlement  of Alaska's                                                                    
     newest  borough, Petersburg,  to be  comparable to  the                                                                    
     land entitlement received by  all other boroughs in the                                                                    
     state. An amount equal to approximately                                                                                    
     .79  percent  of  a  borough's   land  mass,  which  in                                                                    
     Petersburg's case is 14,666 acres.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     For  those   of  you  who   are  unfamiliar   with  our                                                                    
     community,  the   Petersburg  Borough  is   located  in                                                                    
     central  Southeast Alaska  and encompasses  an area  of                                                                    
     3,800  square  miles of  land  and  sea. The  borough's                                                                    
     population  center is  located on  the northern  tip of                                                                    
     Mitkof Island, which is home  to a diverse and prolific                                                                    
     commercial  fishing  fleet  and  three  major  seafood-                                                                    
     processing  facilities.  In   2013,  the  residents  of                                                                    
     Petersburg voted  to form a  borough - for a  number of                                                                    
     reasons,  including having  a greater  say on  land use                                                                    
     decisions   in   our   surrounding  area,   having   an                                                                    
     opportunity to  Increase our  municipal land  base, and                                                                    
     many also felt it was  Important for all area residents                                                                    
     to support our school system through local taxes.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     About  12 months  after  borough formation,  Petersburg                                                                    
     received    a    general   land    grant    entitlement                                                                    
     certification  from   the  state  indicating   we  were                                                                    
     entitled to  1,896 acres  under AS  29.65.010. However,                                                                    
     this amount  was reduced by  the 457 .47  acres already                                                                    
     received  by  the  City   of  Petersburg,  even  though                                                                    
     certain   tracts  of   the  City's   457.47  acres   is                                                                    
     restricted  from  development  and only  available  for                                                                    
     public,   charitable,   or  recreational   use.   After                                                                    
     deducting   the  457.47   acres,  the   Borough's  land                                                                    
     entitlement  was  1,438.53  acres.  To  put  this  into                                                                    
     context, this  is approximately  an area  roughly 1/3rd                                                                    
     the size of the Anchorage International Airport.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     In  making  this  calculation,  DNR  uses  a  statutory                                                                    
     formula - a  municipality is entitled to  10 percent of                                                                    
     VUU land within its boundaries.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The  lands available  for selection  are designated  as                                                                    
     VUU or "vacant, unappropriated  and unreserved" land by                                                                    
     the   State  of   Alaska.   These   lands  are   either                                                                    
     "unclassified"   or    classified   as   "agricultural,                                                                    
     grazing, materials, public  recreation, settlement, and                                                                    
     resource  management''   but  for  the  most   part  no                                                                    
     development has occurred on any of the VUU lands.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     You  may  wonder why  we  received  such a  small  land                                                                    
     entitlement to begin with. The  majority of land within                                                                    
     the  borough,  over  96  percent,  is  managed  by  the                                                                    
     federal government  as the Tongass National  Forest. Of                                                                    
     the non-federal lands within  the borough, 1.73 percent                                                                    
     is owned  by the Goldbelt Corporation,  1.34 percent by                                                                    
     the  State of  Alaska,  and .4  percent  by the  Alaska                                                                    
     Mental Health  Trust and University of  Alaska. Only .3                                                                    
     percent is in private ownership  and a mere .04 percent                                                                    
     is  owned by  the  municipality. When  DNR applied  the                                                                    
     land  entitlement formula  to  the Petersburg  Borough,                                                                    
     only  a  very small  amount  of  land remained  in  VUU                                                                    
     status.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     As  we began  to evaluate  our potential  selection, we                                                                    
     realized  that our  entitlement  was  not adequate  for                                                                    
     what  we  were  hoping  to accomplish  and  that  other                                                                    
     boroughs   also   received  small   land   entitlements                                                                    
     initially and then were able  to increase these through                                                                    
     the legislature.  The most recent  example was  in 2010                                                                    
     when  both  Wrangell  and  Haines  received  additional                                                                    
     acreage, and in the late  1990's the Lake and Peninsula                                                                    
     Borough  and  Yakutat  Borough   also  had  their  land                                                                    
     entitlement set through legislation.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Why is this Important  to Petersburg specifically? As I                                                                    
     mentioned previously, just over  96 percent of our land                                                                    
     base is federally managed and  of our non-federal lands                                                                    
     the major  landholder are Goldbelt Corporation  and the                                                                    
     State of Alaska. In short,  while the borough itself is                                                                    
     relatively large, the majority of  land is not and will                                                                    
     never be  Included In  the local tax  base and  most is                                                                    
     not  available  to  generate economic  return  for  our                                                                    
     residents or the State of Alaska.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The Petersburg  Borough would  like the  opportunity to                                                                    
     move some  these lands into  private ownership  and add                                                                    
     them  to  our tax  base  as  residential or  commercial                                                                    
     developments. We  would like the opportunity  to secure                                                                    
     new sources  of rock  for construction  and maintenance                                                                    
     of our roads  and other projects. In  general, we would                                                                    
     like  the opportunity  to  be  more economically  self-                                                                    
     sufficient.  1,400   acres  simply  does   not  provide                                                                    
    sufficient developable land to support these goals.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     In  our  discussions  with the  Department  of  Natural                                                                    
     Resources,  they explained  that  the agency  generally                                                                    
     does not  voice support  for this type  of legislation,                                                                    
     but  neither   does  the  agency   oppose  Petersburg's                                                                    
     request. We provided a general  outline of the lands we                                                                    
     would select  under SB 28  and DNR did not  express any                                                                    
     concerns about these potential selections.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Lastly, the members of this  committee know better than                                                                    
     most that these  are difficult times. In  our own small                                                                    
     way,  we,  in  Petersburg,  want  to  be  part  of  the                                                                    
     solution, not  a casualty of crisis.  An Increased land                                                                    
     base   is   a   key    component   to   the   long-term                                                                    
     sustainability of our municipality.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     We respectfully ask for your support to move SB 28 out                                                                     
     of Senate Resources.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you today                                                                        
     and I would be happy to answer any questions you may                                                                       
     have.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  indicated that by becoming  a borough                                                                    
they  would  be  able  to provide  local  police  and  other                                                                    
community programs.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Pruitt  wondered if  the money  came directly                                                                    
to Petersburg.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Cabrera replied  that it was a payment  that the federal                                                                    
government  gave to  the borough.  The payment  was received                                                                    
directly, and was calculated in a formula.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Chair Guttenberg  reported that  amendments for  the                                                                    
bill  were due  by 5:00  p.m., Wednesday,  May 10,  2017. He                                                                    
reviewed the agenda for the following meeting.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SB  28  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 28 Letters of Support 4.11.17.pdf HFIN 5/4/2017 1:30:00 PM
SB 28
SB 28 Maps Land Selection Areas 4.11.17.pdf HFIN 5/4/2017 1:30:00 PM
SB 28
SB 28 Sponsor Statement 4.11.17.pdf HFIN 5/4/2017 1:30:00 PM
SB 28
SB 28 Sectional Analysis 4.11.17.pdf HFIN 5/4/2017 1:30:00 PM
SB 28
Analysis_of_Alaskas_Per_Capita_Budget.pdf HFIN 5/4/2017 1:30:00 PM
HFIN Fiscal ploicy
House Finance Presentation- State Budget and the Economy 05.04.2017.pdf HFIN 5/4/2017 1:30:00 PM
HFIN Fiscal Policy
House Finance Presentation- State Budget and the Economy 05.04.2017.pdf HFIN 5/4/2017 1:30:00 PM
HFIN Fiscal Policy
Revenue Overview - House Finance - 5.4.17.pdf HFIN 5/4/2017 1:30:00 PM
HFIN Fiscal Policy
SB 28 Testimony Liz Cabrera Petersburg Borough.pdf HFIN 5/4/2017 1:30:00 PM
SB 28